Hello and welcome to the Soul Aligned Self-Care Podcast.
I'm so happy to have you here today.
How are you doing?
Very well.
Thank you so much to you.
You're very happy to be here.
Thanks for having me.
Yes.
I'm excited about our conversation today.
You shared with me your book, The Shamanic Soul Retrieval.
I'm just going to show it.
Even though I don't think we're going to be on video, as I said.
But it's such a beautiful, yeah.
It's such a beautiful book.
It's just got all these pretty pictures and stuff in it.
And I really, really enjoyed like peaking through it.
It's wonderful.
But before we get started and talking about what you do, can you tell me just a little
bit about what it is you do and where you started, like how you moved into doing that?
Yeah.
I started in my early 20s, long time ago.
Wow.
Yeah, I actually went to university for journalism and worked in that field for a long time because
I'm by nature just a very curious person.
I like to learn and experience new things.
And I enjoyed it.
But I found that school and university didn't give me certain answers that I was looking for
in life.
And I also had health and emotional issues, young person, where I felt that I had to do something
about it.
And I tried out all kinds of different things.
And then I, on a trip, incidentally in South Africa, I came across shamanism, the first,
first, actually in Namibia.
I came across shamanism the first time.
And it's been with me ever since.
It worked for me.
It worked very well for me.
And that led me to just continuing learning, traveling.
I've learned with shamanic teachers in Hawaii where I lived for many years and still spend
a lot of time in North America, Indigenous people.
Also in Europe, some European background, shamanic, Celtic.
So I've been looking and dabbling in different learning in different areas and have found that
it's just very, very helpful and easy to learn and easy to understand because it works with
imagery and symbols, which is very natural to us humans.
So before we get, before I start asking you questions, can you explain to the audience what
shamanism is?
And then also maybe move into, are there a lot of commonalities between all of the, in shamanism
in, between all these different cultures?
Yeah.
So shamanism is the oldest known human healing system that exists.
It goes back at least 30, 40,000 years anthropologists believe and learn from passing down from
one teacher, one generation to the next just universal laws of living in harmony with your
environment.
It considers humans as part of the environment, as part of the earth, not the crown, but part
of it.
So how do you live in balance in harmony?
How are you?
How are you happy?
How are you healthy?
So these are the things that shamanism deals with in different teaching techniques.
And the interesting thing about it is that you were asking about a common denominator.
Yeah, the different shamanic techniques are pretty much the same everywhere in the world,
dating back to times where there was no big travel yet, very basic human existence, no,
no internet, no phones, but they had the same techniques, trans, working with power animals,
ancestral work, artist of view, and also extracting illness in certain techniques on an energy
level, and then also of course the shamanic soul retrieval, which is what this book is about.
That's so, that's so interesting.
Do you have a favorite for lack of better way to ask that question?
You spent a lot of, you started in South Africa and then Hawaii and then North America, right?
And then like Celtic, you said though, European, did you enjoy one of those spaces more than
the other?
To tell you the truth, they all have different qualities and there is not one that I am drawn
to the most.
Also a original shamanism, they focus very strongly on working with your dreams, American
indigenous, North American indigenous shamanism, focus very strongly on community and living
on Turtle Island, on Mother Earth, Hawaii, my old shamanism focusing very strongly also
on our connection with the star, star wisdom.
So you have Hawaiian shamanism, Huna again, different type of focus because they're isolated,
isolated islands, very, very elemental, very full of elemental energy, probably the shamanism
where I felt the different elements the strongest, but you find all these different things
that they specialize, these techniques in each of them, but some of them have more
a draw to one than the other, which is really fascinating.
I guess it has to do with their environment, I suppose.
Yeah, yeah, it seems.
It shapes them.
It seems like on a whole, it's about the connection to your environment or to the world
as a whole from their experience.
Exactly.
Just looking at the cameras and focus.
Yeah, that's okay.
So moving into the soul which we've all, can you explain to me what that means?
Yeah.
So, for example, in existence, in all shamanic backgrounds, cultures, for example, in Huna,
Hawaiian shamanism, they talk of the soul as a ball of light and the container, they talk
about it, obviously our body, our vessel, but they talk of it as a bowl of light.
And if you're just to use a symbol, your soul is what makes you live without that.
It's just like a puppet.
Yeah, every, many people have seen a deceased person.
It really looks like a wax figure from Madame Two Souls.
So the soul, whatever it is, gives us existence and in shamanic beliefs, it also moves on in
some way from one existence to the other.
And when this soul, and when we're born in this ball of light in our light bowl, it's shining
generally, usually depending on what the pregnancy and birth was like, but it's shining
very brightly and strongly.
And over the course of our lifetime, parts of this light leave us due to, for example,
traumatic experiences, for example, in modern day life, it would be, if you had a heavy surgery
or maybe abusive relationship or childhood, mobbing experiences, accidents, any type of
heavy traumatic experience, big and small, that were the person at the time was not able to
process what happened, was not able to heal it.
And it's so painful that parts of the soul just leave.
It's in psychology, this is called dissociation.
So it's, we've all had that experience that sometimes we feel like we're just not quite
here, not quite grounded and running on autopilot.
And for some people, this is a continuous form of existence.
So when these parts leave us, little by little, sometimes bigger, sometimes smaller, but
they leave and it adds up our light shines less in our bowl of light.
And in addition to that, intrusion energies which are not ours come in and make the light
dirty.
So there are like intrusion energies which are harmful, which are not necessarily meant to
be bad, but they're just not supposed to be there and the reason they're coming, it's
kind of like a house, when there's holes in the house, mice will come in, snakes, they're
not bad, but the house shouldn't have holes.
So if we have holes in our soul energy, other forms of energy will come in and harm us and
will cause illness.
So, and in the indigenous shamanic cultures, working with your soul energy and regularly
looking after it, bringing back soul parts, emptying rocks out symbolically is a very regular,
kind of like going for your dental checkups done regularly from a young age.
And then it's not a big deal, it's psychological hygiene you could say.
But when you don't grow up that way, the way in Western society we did not learn that,
then it just adds up and gets more and more and more and more until people are just absolutely
exhausted, burned out.
Even though a lot of times they live healthy lifestyles, they exercise, they do what they enjoy
and still they're burned out.
So that from a shamanic perspective, that a lot of times is the reason if the soul energy
is missing.
So in the soul retrieval, you call back the lost parts of yourself to get your light glowing
again, your soul energy is glowing again.
Yeah.
So that's very interesting.
As you were speaking, I was just thinking of all these different things I've learned
over time, you know, like how, you know, it's like the same kind of aspect as calling that
you're a chi, you know, your life energy or your prana or, you know, like this and the
things that deplete that and like very good comparison.
Yeah.
And then I've never heard that comparison and I really like it.
Yeah.
That's great.
I'm actually studying yoga, Neetra right now.
So it's very like in my, in the back of my head, because I've been learning about that.
And I find the connection between all those things also just if you learn anything about
energy healing from people, the connections, there's always like these little connections
and all of them that what I've noticed.
Because I'm just really curious and I like learning about those things and this feels very similar
to me, the, the intrusion energies because, because you're like, you're kind of like exhausted
out a little bit, you know, your body, it's got your soul, your body, your weakened.
And so it leaves you vulnerable to those outside energies, those outside things that could
bring us down.
And so the soul would sure you will calling yourself back.
I just love the way that sounds.
I think one of the things I did when I was healing, I think when I was in my like early, early
forties, that's the way you described like burned out.
That was me completely.
That's how I was.
And one of the things I did that I read about and I can't remember where was go back to
all my different ages when I how old I was.
And I actually like,
pictures of myself when I was at age to make it more like memorable, so to speak.
And just like, comforting each version of myself at that age and like bringing them back
together, which when you said soul retrieval, like bringing those pieces back, that's what
it reminded me of kind of like taking those supporting all versions of myself at the same
time, which is an interesting perspective to I guess.
So in soul retrieval, I'm curious, how do you do that?
How do you call those pieces of your soul back?
What is the process?
Yeah, so the process, so certain, I call them like hardcore issues, you really, they're
nearly impossible to do yourself.
Like you just need somebody not involved from the outside who is trained in this type of
healing to do that.
Just like, you know, if you have a root canal and your tooth, it's not something you're
going to do yourself.
You're going to go to a dentist.
Yeah.
But if you have infected gums, you are very well able, which leads to root canals if they're
not treated, you're very well able to look after your gums, do the flossing and the gargling
and whatever is needed to stop the infection.
And then you don't even need to do a root canal.
So to do it yourself, you, I describe a lot of meditations in my book, but just to make
it very short and brief, you just lie down.
Or sit down, get grounded, take your time to relax, to get back into your, you know, out
of your head and breathe in and out and all that and relaxing.
And then you identify what part of your soul you feel like it's missing.
If you don't know what it is, you just do soul retrieval for what is the best at this time,
just energy coming back.
And then you ask for a spirit guide, can be a power animal, can be a angel, can be whatever
different traditions people work with, it really doesn't matter.
And you ask them to protect you, first of all, so that in this space, no intrusion energies
which pretend to be a soul part of you come in.
So that's one important aspect because that can happen if there's unclear focus.
And then you ask your spirit guide that came to bring you or to bring back a soul part
that has left you.
And depending on where the soul part is, sometimes it's quite close to your energy field, sometimes
it's literally in a different dimension depending on where it went, but it's never lost because
energy doesn't get lost.
It's just somewhere off and some of these soul parts may have left us even in past lifetime.
So in depending on that, either you will go there with them or they will bring it back.
And then when the soul part comes back, you ask, are you my soul part?
And then there will be an answer and yes or no, I mean, it's usually yes after the protection
circle.
And then you ask, why did you leave me?
And then you, a lot of times the soul part will come back looking the age when it left you.
So it left you when you were a baby.
You'll see that part of you as a baby or it left you, I don't know if there's somebody
had a divorce.
You'll see the person will see themselves at the divorce at that age and then the soul
part will communicate with you and then you'll ask to really understand why, what was
the pain that made it leave it was so unbearable.
And then you ask, does it need anything from you to heal, to stay with you?
Does it want to come back to you?
Sometimes they will say, well, I'm not sure if I want to come back because that was pretty
painful.
And then you have to sometimes talk to it and say, well, I'm an adult now or I've matured,
I will look after you, I will promise to you that I will make sure that something like
that will not happen again.
Yeah, I'm an adult now.
If for example, you were a child or if you were an adult when it happened, you can say
I learned these in these lessons from it and I won't let it happen again.
And then you can also ask your spirit guide for help, for support, sometimes they will do
some energy work with the soul part.
And then you also ask when it's willing to come back, you ask, well, what are the qualities
that left with you?
And that's also really interesting because sometimes it's, I mean, it's always life
energy.
But it's always also different qualities.
For example, we're talking about somebody might have had a divorce.
Trust, yeah, might have left or with children who were abused.
Happiness, just joyfulness, you know, this childlike quality of just being happy, being laughter
or sometimes creativity.
Yeah, it's very interesting when you work with people, when I've worked with people who had
some kind of a creative block, writers block or musical or artistic or whatever block and
then you work with it and then that quality comes back.
So all kinds of quality, all qualities, all abilities that we have as humans, the whole
spectrum depending on what it is.
And then when it's back, you embrace yourself, you take time to really feel it.
It's very moving and touching and a lot of times tears will flow and then afterwards, you
and then you still, and then you talk to it, you just communicate with it, get to know
it.
If it's been from away from you all your life.
And then that's it.
So I could see why that worked.
That's a process and I could see.
It's a process, yeah.
Yeah, I could see why it would be helpful to have a guide.
So you talked about like, you know, if it's something like big that happens to a person,
it's better to have a guide.
So I'm assuming and maybe you can confirm this that when you're working with a guide
that and you're dealing with something that was very traumatic, that it would take just
more than this one meditation or more than one time.
It's more like a process that you're going through.
And and then that what you just explained there is that more like maintenance kind of
like brushing your teeth every day, kind of thing where, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
But that's what I meant.
If you do the a few sessions with somebody who knows how to do the hardcore issues after
that, the maintenance, you can do yourself.
It's it's really not that difficult.
All these shamanic techniques, when you learn them, they're fairly easy.
They're fairly easy to understand.
And that's and and I often wonder why don't they teach you that in high school.
But there's a lot of stuff they should teach us in school that they don't.
So when it comes to doing this type of work, the soul retrieval work, is there a connection
between that and the connection to the earth or to nature and and stuff like that?
Is that part of the process or is that something different?
Yes, earth and nature are definitely part of the process because it's always helpful to
go and spend time in nature.
And you can there's all kinds of shamanic techniques which take place in nature and you can
even do soul retrieval for places.
So you might have been, I think everybody's been to places in nature, in towns and cities
and buildings, but again, also in nature where you go there and you feel like it's just
not really alive.
It's like something cold is there or something, so less.
And you can also do soul retrieval for those kind of places, something and then when you
work with it, it's very interesting then you tap into the memory there and you see that maybe
a battle took place there or the land was exploited or something tragic happened there.
So it's or there's a grave, an unknown grave there.
So when you go into that and I've done that a few times and quite a few times and then when
I talk to people there, it confirms like the things that I see in the healing.
Is it something you see or is it something you feel when you're in those places?
When I do the healing, it's both.
That's how I function.
I see and I hear and I feel and I sense and I smell it.
Sometimes it comes all at the same time, I'll smell things, but other people they feel very
strongly or they see very strongly, it's really quite different, yeah, how people perceive.
That's very interesting.
So in your life, do you work with people doing this work?
I know you wrote a book about it, but do you actually do this work with people?
Still?
Yeah, yeah, I've done this with thousands of people and I am mostly now a teacher.
I teach courses in these types of things with these types of techniques.
So that's what I work with mostly now.
So you're teaching other people how to be a shaman?
How to do this, yeah.
Yeah, that's really, really cool.
What is that like?
Do you do that like online?
Is it like an in-person kind of thing or both?
I do a hybrid where I have some people who are different.
Sometimes I do it online, sometimes I do where people are actually there and at the same
time we'll have cameras to those who can't be there.
So they're with us live and some people watch it afterwards in their own tempo.
So yeah, whatever people need.
Yeah, I assume that when someone does that kind of work, there's a whole healing process
before you even start to get into the teaching, is that true?
Yes, you mean with yourself?
No, I'm just asking, wondering what, if you mean with the participants or with me or with
the...
No, with the participants.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I would imagine that there's a lot of healing before they even get started and moving
forward as a teacher.
Yeah, absolutely.
Sometimes it starts if they sign up for a course, sometimes in a year or a half a year in advance,
they're already full in the process.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
And for me, the reason I asked is for me as a teacher also because the students I have are
a reflection of myself and what I heal and others I heal in myself.
So that's also a shamanic perspective.
That's very interesting.
So if somebody wanted to get started, what would you suggest?
Like in the healing or also just learning more about shamanism and, you know, being a part
of that community, I don't know if that's the right wording or not, but how would they
get started and learning more about it?
Well, they could start by reading my book, first of all.
This book, Shamanic Soul Retrieval is thin and small and easy to read.
I very intentionally wrote it for, I mean, anybody can read it, but also very helpful for beginners
to not be overwhelmed by big fat spiritual literature, which is intimidating.
So I believe in blesses more and simplicity and so, and it's, it's not big.
It's not long and it's an easy read and it also gives a lot of background information
on shamanism.
So that would be a good way to start and then finding a teacher somewhere in the world
that the person connects with and feels a draw to.
I think that's usually the best guide is if you listen to your shamanism is not so much
about a master or a big shot teacher.
It's more about a community in a circle and we are in certain roles.
Like if I'm a teacher in a circle, I'm in that role and I also learn things from the participants
and then then I'll go other places where I'll be learning and then I'll be a student.
You know, I'm continuing and it's and it's really about finding your own connection to the
divine and to the energy and mystery of existence.
So it's a path you walk yourself together with others, but it's your own path.
No path is the same.
So really finding for somebody who's new to this, just trust your instinct, listen to your
gut feeling, who you're drawn to and just try it a step at a time, easy, easy, easy, easy
music.
Try go to somebody else, try that, compare and enjoy it.
What I really enjoy about shamanism, what I've enjoyed all these decades that I've been doing
and learning and passing on these things is that it's very connected to the senses and
to the earth.
It's not abstract.
You go out in nature, you are connected to the elements and it's very alive and enjoyable.
Yeah, I think it's really needed too because we've become so disconnected from nature and
we are part of nature.
So we're disconnected from ourselves when we're disconnected with nature.
And so I actually make a point to get out in nature.
I don't really have that problem.
I'm definitely a nature freak.
But I see there's some people that just don't ever go outside and I was having a conversation
with my son yesterday and he lives in New York and he's not really in the city in New York
city and he's not a big city kid.
He's a little country boy but he's there for work reasons and stuff like that and he's
like, I haven't touched grass in so long.
He's like, I just don't like it.
He's like, I know Central Park is right there but it's just not the same.
He's telling me.
And I'm like, yeah, I know it's true.
Even in Central Park you have to be careful where you sit and be really aware of your surroundings
so you don't feel completely at ease even though it is a beautiful, absolutely gorgeous park.
There we are.
Yeah, it is.
And so I don't know.
I always say that if I lived in New York City, two of my kids lived there, I would have to
be very wealthy because I would have to live right next to the park.
So that's not real day.
I could go touch a tree or something because I would not be able to do it.
It's too much.
There and I think that's what everybody says.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So where can people find this beautiful book?
Well, it's an inner traditions book.
So on the inner traditions homepage but it's also available at all book stores, barns
and nobles, Simon and Schuster.
You can also get it at Amazon.
It's available worldwide and it's also available as Kindle, I believe.
Oh, cool.
Well, it's such a beautiful book.
I would suggest people buy the actual book.
This is one of those books that you want to hold in your hand, I think.
Thank you.
It's a very pretty book.
Yeah.
It's not heavy.
It fits right in your purse.
Yeah.
Perfect.
And a great gift too, I would think too.
What about, do you have a website too where people can connect with you?
Yeah.
I have a website.
It's LisaRainbow.com.
LisaRainbow.com.
The rainbow is because I have multi-lingual background and different passports and grew
up in different countries.
So that's that aspect.
Yes.
Okay, well, all these things to be able to connect with you will be in the show notes
so that they can find that.
Thank you.
Yeah.
And I would like to ask you, what is next on your horizon?
What is it that you're looking to do in your life and bring into the world?
Is there anything new that you wish to speak about?
Yeah.
So I'm giving at the moment in Europe, I'm giving regression training that's starting in
the fall.
It's online, online live, but you can also watch it streaming.
And then next year I'm giving a shamanic training and it's going to be running over two years
then a year and a half, ancestral, family, and family training.
Shamanic.
I don't know if you're familiar with that.
So yeah, I'm busy.
My kids are finishing, they started school in Hawaii and then we are now in Europe and
they're going to finish their high school here in two and a half years.
So until then I am pretty much grounded here and doing a lot of things in Europe so that
they can finish their high school diplomas and then go off to university and then once
they're off to university, I'll be more moving around probably globally again.
Yeah.
What is regression training?
What is that?
Regression training is also shamanic and it's where you go back into past lives and see how
past life experience influenced your daily life today and any blocks to release.
And also in addition, we also work with regression through a person's pregnancy where they were
in their mother's womb, anything that is still unresolved there because there's also a lot
of the blocks usually coming from that.
So those are the two things that we focus on in this training, past life.
Very interesting.
Okay.
And if you want to share information on those trainings with me, I could put those in the
show notes if you'd like just in case someone's listening and they're very interested.
Sure.
And do you have a question?
So I always think about past lives and also when people talk about our lives and they always
say that all of our lives are actually happening at the same time, you know, like time is like
not.
So what does that mean then?
Then it's just another dimension of our life or you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, of course I know that I have not found the answer to that completely either yet.
Otherwise I would be pretty enlightened.
But I, and that question always shows up in the trainings as well.
And from what I understand from my teachers and my own experience in this earth, we have
our three dimensions and then also consider the fourth dimension time.
And yes, when we do regressions or trans journeys, sometimes we might end up in other dimensions,
parallel dimensions, I think, but that really is important is how not so much does it exist
or not?
I'm sure it does exist.
But I find more important is how does it affect you in this day and age?
How does it affect you in a good way or a negative way?
And what can you do with it?
Why is it popping up?
Why is that particular experience, memory, whatever, future vision popping up and not
another one?
So that's what I find what is more important and focusing on the energy vibration aspect of
this because we're all vibration in our smallest particle, yeah.
And we get born into certain families and certain experiences because of our vibration.
And when we do this type of work, we remember or see or get visions of past lives or other
parallel dimensions like you were saying because of vibration because there's something
that still needs to be resolved or gained or whatever depending on what the work shows.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, that actually is a good way to look at it, I think.
What really matters is how it affects you and why it's popping up and why it's coming
forward.
But that makes total sense.
Yeah, I sometimes go down the dimension rabbit hole and I'm like, it makes my brain hurt
a little bit because I'm like, oh, it's like I'm almost there, I can almost understand
it but I just don't, it doesn't make any sense.
So it's very, it's very interesting and it's a really cool, I think, very cool and very
interesting topic.
Like I love thinking about it.
I think it's very cool.
It is.
Yeah.
This was a really fun conversation.
I want to thank you again for coming on and I would definitely appreciate it if you would
send me all the links to the things that we talked about today.
I mean, yeah, that would be great so that I could share them with our listeners so that
they can grab the book or sign up for one of your trainings or whatever they want to
do and jump in with you.
So thank you again.
It was such a pleasure talking with you.
Thank you so much, Tina.
