Hello, and welcome to the Soul Aligned self-care podcast.
How are you doing today?
I'm doing wonderful.
I can't wait to dive into this conversation with you.
Yes, me too.
I'm actually really excited.
One of the things I love about getting to interview people like you is I feel like I
benefit so much myself from it, you know?
And I love sharing that with the listeners, so I just get so excited when I get to talk
to someone like you.
So I'm just going to jump right in and I would like to talk to you about how do we start
to unlock our true inner power so that we can achieve what we want to or reach our goals
or whatever it is that we want to bring into our lives.
Yeah, that's a beautiful place to start.
I feel like women have been taught to disengage, not really know who they are, not really value
who they are.
If you think of the old times, you know, we were bartered.
Yeah.
Power moves, right?
We were born, we were traded as property.
And in that notion, the property had more value when it didn't know herself when she
reflected what others wanted to see in her.
And so from that state, we've been inheriting past on a lot of generational beliefs and programs
that get lost and confused in really getting to know who we really are, getting to value
ourselves, getting to really stand in that question mark.
And that's the thing that the value that we have, this power that we have is always evolving.
It is never fixed.
It's never like this is who I am and that's it.
And the moment we actually attach ourselves to thinking that we're one thing, we start to
suffer because in that attachment, we start to limit the expression of what wants to move
through us.
And so I feel like as women, we get to live in the great mystery, the question, but at the
same time understanding that we need something to calibrate towards.
So that question has to also be answered by ourselves like, well, who do I choose to
become?
What is the power that I get to become?
What are the desires that I truly have?
What are the desires that are calling me forth?
And in those desires is we're spirit, God, whatever you want to call this higher power
that I feel animates everything starts to move through us to answer that question.
And so I feel like the way that we unlock it is by actually asking ourselves, what do
we want to experience?
What are our desires?
What's the life you want to create?
And from that stance, we then get busy becoming the very embodiment of all those desires.
Yeah.
So would you say that one way that we could really start to do this is just by asking ourselves
the questions about what do we want?
And how do we not limit ourselves though?
Because we've been so limited for so long, I love the way you said that.
It is.
It's like in our genes because all of our ancestors before us, we're the freest, obviously,
that we've ever been for now.
And but we still carry all that.
Even the things I noticed that I carry just from my mother that were passed down from her
mother and then her mother.
How do we acknowledge what we want?
But then also, I think we always play it so small.
How do we really expand into what we really want and allow that to come through us?
It gets to be a practice, especially if you're not used to dreaming and imagining and moving
through connecting to those desires.
So the questions are oftentimes uncomfortable to sit in.
What do I desire?
What's the life that I dream of?
That is the reality that actually has me turn on and be alive and feel alive.
A lot of times women have been programmed to want the bare minimum and not sit in that
question, "Oh, whatever you want, honey."
"What do you want?"
"Whatever you want, honey."
"Yeah."
Because we're not willing to sit in the discover like, "No, what do I want?
Do I desire?
What actually would make me feel really good?
Would make me feel really excited?
Would wake me up every morning?"
I feel like that sitting in the question requires us to meet the discomfort that is in the
muscle of intimacy with ourselves.
And especially now with these gadgets, we're avoiding intimacy at all cost.
We won't pick up the phone, we won't text back, we won't engage, we're playing God in
our little bubble.
God really moves through our desires because God is seeking to express and experience itself
through you and your desires.
Yeah, yeah, I truly believe that.
I notice that now that I'm older, I don't hold back at all anymore.
Like I know what I want and I just go for it and I don't care what anybody thinks, I don't
care if someone thinks it's stupid or I'm silly or it's not worth chasing after whatever
they might think.
I just don't even care.
But what I would love to see is someone a lot younger than me being able to reach that
point that I'm at, I'm 57, but I want to see them doing the way I act, the way I feel when
they're in their 20s.
Just all the time, I don't want them to be held back and so I want to be able to help women
cultivate that and themselves and feel comfortable with it.
So are there some practices or that women can do that will help them open up to it more?
I know meditation can be helpful and those kind of things, sitting still, just allowing
yourself to be and get off like the doing parade is what I call it.
You always have to be doing something to feel worthy of it.
But what kind of things do you think help women move into that?
I love this.
I first of all, you look amazing for 57.
Thank you.
I really want to just thank you for what you just said because some women reach their mid
50s or 50s and think that it's over and I feel like I'm just starting to scratch the surface.
I'm just starting to unravel like the greatest expression in every moment and so I love that
you're owning that and I think that it takes a lot of women that are stepping into that
eldership to really model that for us freely, fully going after their dreams fiercely.
There are many different practices.
I feel like I just taught a class on this so this is this perfect timing and of course
the city.
But there are four different pillars.
There's four different archetypes as well.
The way that I teach it, the divine feminine frequency, you have the Oracle, the one that
receives the vision.
She's the one that is deeply connected to the desires that God has placed in your heart
and then you move it into the high priestess.
She's like the leader, she's the one that's discerning, she's the one that's setting the stage
and learning how to adorn your home and yourself to really step into that desire.
But these practices, once you move through these pillars and there's also the muse and the
mystic, the one that alkalizes, the one that creates and shares, she's the artist, the
muse and the mystic is the alchemist.
There's all these different archetypes that are in us and at times what we've been taught
as women is to embody the masculine, which is all about doing, the doing parade.
It's all about the overdoing, the overholding and we saw it in our moms.
They tended to take on way more than they should have.
The men come home and they take off their slippers and they stay on the couch and they disconnect
and dissociate in front of the TV and it creates a resentful, bitter wife that's stuck in
her masculine.
The man is actually an infaminate.
We need to start to look at the places that we have shrunk in and not allowing ourselves
to take the space, not allowing ourselves to fully trust ourselves.
When you ask me about practices, a really great practice and it's going to be really uncomfortable.
It's called femme-easing where you just lie on the floor, ideally a wooden floor.
You can do this on the grass as well but now it's getting cold here on the eastward, on
a wooden floor and you just breathe and you start scanning your body with awareness,
just moving it through and the moment you feel your thoughts going somewhere else, you start
over.
What you're doing is you're cultivating a practice of stillness and surrender but also
being held by the floor, being held by a version of Mother Earth where you can drop deeper
into your feminine.
When you're able to cultivate these practices of stillness, slowing down, what ends up
happening is that you start to return to the power of your intuition, to the pace of your
feminine frequency and what I like to do with my clients is when they're lying on the floor
and they've reached a good 10, 15 minutes of just being there to first is really hard.
So, doing an increments of five minutes.
But then afterwards, right, what do I desire?
What do I want?
What do I want to feel?
What do I want to accomplish?
What do I want to experience?
Create a bucket list, create a vision quest for yourself and you write it down and then
you ask yourself, what is the version of me that already has that?
When you're in that stillness is when you are in one of your most powerful states because
you're able to access the Oracle faster than when we're in the doing parade.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, and I have to agree with you.
So before I started teaching what I teach and working with women, I, myself, experienced
burnout and I was stuck in the masculine and I was also like, I was say a professional
people pleaser.
And I, I was doing all of those things.
And so I was very stuck in my masculine because I was a single mom with three kids.
So I always felt like I had to be in the masculine.
And it took a really long time for me to come out of that.
It was definitely a transformation.
And one of the, the things, the way I feel right now is I've, I'm finally moved through
that.
I was able to start sitting still.
It started so small, like, like sitting through a three to five minute, maybe meditation was
hard for me, you know?
And, you know, doing like a breath work for an hour, a lot of breath work classes can be
an hour hard, just hard, a in yoga class talking about sitting with yourself.
That's, you know, those are things that can be really humbling when you do them because
you think it's easy.
But I was always like, I'm going to go to the power yoga class.
I'm going to go for a run.
I'm going to, you know what I mean?
Like, I never did any of these things.
Now I just love them, sitting, doing a yoga knee, drawing, like all those things because
I can sit with myself now and being the age that I'm at.
And this is both beautiful and also kind of sad.
But one of the things I talk about is I feel really, really free right now at my age,
which I think is really, really beautiful.
I feel like if you slow down the metamorphosis of a butterfly, right, until a lifetime of
a woman, I'm at the point where I'm just spreading my wings, you know what I mean?
And the reason I feel free is because there's absolutely no expectations because women
my age are invisible.
They're not valued and they are society at least.
And they are kind of forgetting.
There's no like, oh, we expect you to get married.
We expect you to have a baby.
We expect you to have a career.
We expect.
We expect anything from me.
I can literally do anything I want right now.
And no one's going to notice.
I could wear a pink tuto and do cartwheels and people just talk about me around town.
That's it.
So I feel like it's both beautiful and sad because I feel like women are the most powerful
beings on earth.
And that's why we're so suppressed because we're powerful.
And women, my age, women at all ages are very valuable.
But women at my age are very valuable and they're not stepping into almost like for a lack of
better word, the job that they have, which is to support other women and to educate other
women and to, you know, be there, you know, the crone, so to speak, you know.
And so I just am rambling now, but I just feel like it's beautiful that I could be there's
no expectations.
And at the same time, it's a little bit sad and I hope that that can change.
And one of the things, like you just said, sitting in stillness like that is so eye opening
because it just allows you to be and it opens you up for that almost like that inner conversation
with whatever you want to call it, that higher power, you know.
So you talk about your channel, right?
Can you?
Yes.
Can you talk about that because that is just definitely something I know nothing about.
I don't think I do at least.
And what is it?
And what does that mean?
How do you use that in your life?
So I want to go into that.
But first I want to say some things to what you just shared.
Okay.
So I, I, I say this with so much love because I don't know what it is to be 57 yet.
Yeah.
I do know a lot of women in their 50s and 60s that command the room the moment they answer.
And I do know even in her 60s, she is one of the most vibrant women that I ever have met.
Like my mom is just this wall of fire and life and vitality.
And so I, I do know that this Western society has created this story for some women where
they're not seen irrespective of what age they are.
There were many times in my 20s where I felt invisible.
Mm-hmm.
But I believe that it is all a creation of our beliefs and our mindset and the frequency
and the identity that we're holding.
And so when we're able to harness the power of our frequency, which is really opening
up this channel, this vortex that we are, we're able to harness that power of our frequency,
which is also deeply aligned with the power of our identity.
Then not only do we command the room, but we also rearrange the fields and then people
are transforming in quantum leaping in our presence.
The women that you work with have quantum leap through the work that you do with them
because of the frequency that you're holding for them.
The fear, how you treat yourself and how you move with a deeper intimacy with yourself.
So, channeling.
Yes, channeling is, I did not plan on it.
I did not plan on being a channel.
I believe we are all channeling in our own unique, energetic way.
But I was facilitating our very first retreat 10 years ago and I was a big mystic in the closet.
I could see and can see the spirit world.
I can hear it.
I can see grids.
I could see fields.
I can see auras and people.
And every, every year I felt like as a child that I was like learning these gifts, but I
wasn't understanding what they were for.
And so channeling became a thing that came after my satan return.
Every similar to Abraham, there's different channels out there, Bashar and Mariah and these.
I love Bashar.
They're amazing.
And I'm so grateful for them because watching them had me feel less crazy.
I started by channeling in my retreats then I opened up my magic mystery school and it
was really just to create an opening, an opening of a door for people to really understand
that we are all channels of spirit.
We are all here to create a whole new world through the power of our frequency.
And when you move through that stillness, when you cultivate presence, when you're able
to sit in that discomfort, you start to open up that intimacy field within yourself,
with your ancestors, with your guides.
You know, a lot of people treat the dead as if they're dead.
That are more alive, I would say than us because we're slowed down by this body that is
dense.
But every single being is alive and thriving and they hold a certain energetic piece of
the pie, the piece of a puzzle.
And so I really, if there's anything that the listeners can take away is like, you're
here, it is a privilege to be alive.
It is a luxury to be in this body.
You have a gift.
A purpose and it is less about who you think you are and more about who you get to choose
to become, to create yourself.
Yeah.
I talk about that a lot.
I talk about how I did this certification a while back, you know, to become a life purpose
coach.
And while I was going through the certification, one of the things that came to me was
that nobody really needs a life purpose coach because not in the way that I was being taught
to be a life purpose coach because really what our purpose is, what I think, in my opinion,
what our purpose is is to follow our joy and to do that, do it with as much passion as
possible and then keep doing more of what you enjoy and share that with the world.
And then just put that on repeat, really.
And because everybody is so different, you know, I always say that there's like every person
is a puzzle piece in the, you know, in humanity.
And if you don't show up as your puzzle piece, then it's not going to all flow and fit together.
It's not going to feel good.
But if you show up authentically as yourself and you just do your, you know, your purposes,
which is to follow your joy and share that joy, then everything flows a lot better.
And I noticed that when I showed up, you would make an amazing purpose coach because down
for people right now is exactly it.
Yeah.
Especially women find joy threatening.
Mm-hmm.
You know, we were children.
One in three women have been sexually assaulted for being joyful butterflies, for being seen.
And so a lot of the wounds that we inherited and that we created through our zero to nine
time frame and beyond because as women, it doesn't end as humans, it doesn't end.
We're created in relationship with others.
And so I do believe that people like you, like myself, are needed more than ever to hold
space to rewire that relational field so that they can actually meet themselves with intimacy
and devotion and presence.
Enjoy.
Yeah.
I agree.
I went into the life purpose certification.
I went into it in a very masculine way where I was like, okay, if you just look at all the
different jobs you had and what you enjoyed doing, then, you know, like, you know what I mean?
It was very like regimented.
And then when I got through it, I was like, it was one of the best things I ever did because
it made me realize that I just didn't want to sell it that way because finding your purpose
is so simple.
It's so simple.
It doesn't have to be this long drawn out process where you have to hire a life purpose coach.
And, you know, like, you could hire a life coach.
And yeah, I would love to work with people doing that, but it is very simple.
And, you know, I talk about it quite often, but it was like a, you know, just like this epiphany,
you know, that hit me at the time.
It was a while ago.
I took that course.
So going back to the channeling because I love the idea of this.
I wonder, like, in your opinion, the information that comes through to people, it seems like,
where do you think it comes from?
Is it from the ether?
Like, is it from source or universe or God or whatever people want to call it?
Is it from ourselves because we're infinite beings?
And it's just coming from ourselves.
All those lives that we've lived, all those experiences we've had, what do you, in your opinion,
what do you think it's coming from?
This is such a great question.
I, I, so here's how I have it.
There are worlds within worlds within worlds.
The way that I explain it in my retreats is if you look at your body, it is an ecosystem
of cells, cells that come together to form a specific organ or a specific part of your
body, and those cells are alive.
Miniature little versions of you that have a thought and a sound and that are literally
holding a specific frequency.
But we're not separate from the field that is our home.
We're not separate from the field that is our city, our town, our country, and then you
zoom out, the earth, you zoom out, the galaxies.
I really do believe that there's worlds within worlds within worlds.
And just like we think there's eight billion people, those eight billion people in the earth
come together and create this being that is alive.
And then there's overarching souls beyond that.
And so I do believe that it comes from a higher source of being that is overarching all of
us that organizes and is also awakening through our own awakening is getting to know itself
through our own awakening and embodiment.
And it's not like the way that people hold God in the Bible or the way that I was taught
in God, like in Christ.
There's this guy on the cloud that's just you.
I really believe that it's this higher being that is through the desire of getting to know
myself, fragmented itself through all of these fragments and is expanding and growing.
And this is why science is even showing that.
We're discovering moons and more planets and more things because there's an expansion occurring
because all of us are awakening and we're very suspicious time right now.
My guides continue to preface like these next few weeks, these next few months are such
pivotal times because we're all awakening.
We're all creating this this deeper alignment.
We're present to what's not working.
Even things that we're working, but no longer serve us.
We're questioning things.
We're starting to question our patterns, our traditions, our way of relating to ourselves
in each other.
And so I just feel like we have been given the biggest gift.
So I don't I don't claim to know, but I do believe that there are these higher beings that
we are all a part of worlds within worlds that are just like eight billion people figuring
it out.
Higher beings that are also in dialogue and conversations with each other.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
I I do feel, you know, like that every day, the past couple of weeks and then the weeks to
come, I do have this very, very strong feeling that a lot of the things that we are forced to
do to live in the society that we live in are so like meaningless, but it's like you have
to like, you have to go through the motions because it's, you know, you have to pay the bills
and you have to, you know, you have to do all the stuff that you have to, the sheds in our
lives, you know?
And this morning I woke up and I was just like, I don't know lately, I've been really feeling
it.
Everything feels really, really heavy right now.
And I'm just like, I just want to like paint or just like bake or like I just don't want
to do anything.
Like I have normally I'm very like, very, I don't know, productive or I'm always doing stuff,
you know?
And I enjoy it and I love getting my hands in my business and doing all this stuff, but
lately I'm just like, yeah, I just want to go outside and play and I don't really want
to, I don't want to do anything.
It seems really pointless.
I have like this feeling, not like, I'm not like a bad feeling.
I don't know if I'm conveying what I'm feeling right now, but it's a weird feeling.
You totally are conveying it and you're not the only one.
Every person is feeling it.
I wrote about this, calling it the best way that I can describe it is that humanity is
going through a collective initiation.
Our consciousness as a whole is being massively upgrading over the coming weeks.
And so what you're going to start seeing, Tina is like the payments systems going down,
systems going down.
You're going to start seeing this like frenzy of technology having to be rebooted, but
it is all mirroring our own upgrade that's happening on a consciousness level.
And it's why the old things are feeling like a drag, the things that you feel good are
like, I just rather do my art or bait because there's a part of you that knows what it's moving
through and it's bringing you deeper into into a deeper alignment.
Yeah.
And I know it's like I have this deep knowing that a lot of the stuff is not going to matter.
What we're shifting into like a lot of the stuff that I'm building right now is going to
be like it's just, I just know it's not going to matter.
None of it.
So it feels pointless.
And then when I'm doing things like my art or like baking or like being outside in nature
in the garden, those are just things that are kind of continuously bring joy to myself
and other people.
And so you have to, it's almost like you're forced to live in this reality that is collapsing
around us.
And you're just waiting for it to happen.
And it's like, all right, now can we speed it up a little bit because what you're saying
is exactly what's happening.
We're speeding it up.
Yeah.
We're speeding it up.
Well thank god, because I'm so tired of pulling my pills now.
So going back to our inner power, okay.
I want to like if you could say anything to the listeners right now, which are, there's
men that listen to the podcast, but there's a lot of women.
And I tend to think of men and women in a couple of different ways.
Like we all have masculine and feminine energy.
And so all the stuff that we're talking about, even though a lot of it does focus on women,
it really affects men just as much as it affects women, right?
That's how I feel at least.
But speaking to like probably mostly women right now that maybe are interested about this
topic and they want to start stepping into their power.
And yes, we told them that they need to sit still.
And are there any other spiritual, how do we add like spiritual practices into our life
to help us feel more connected to that, for lack of better words, like higher power?
Or like you said, it's more of ourselves, our true selves, right?
So are there practices that people can do or is that something that they have to figure
out personally?
I feel like we can give them a menu of different things, but it's going to have people really
do the thing.
Mm-hmm.
A lot of people want the shortcut and they want to know the five step process.
Yeah.
It's actually, yeah.
It's sitting in the discomfort.
It's allowed yourself to connect with yourself, whether it's breath work or meditation or
going on a walk or doing a dance, putting on a song, moving your body, journaling, one
of the practices that I love to share with people is journal and make your journal conversation
with God.
Mm-hmm.
You're God.
And get real and honest with God.
Like I'm angry with you because I'm sad.
Because, this is what I'm experiencing and this is what I'm feeling and this is what I'm
making up and the more real and honest you can get in those journals with spirit with God.
The more you start to vibrate at the frequency of truth, you start to vibrate at the frequency
of truth, which is more powerful than love, you now start to hone in on the power of your
magnetism.
And if you don't like to journal, then record yourself.
Yes.
Record yourself, but allow yourself to drop deeper into being real and honest with yourself
and creating that intimacy with yourself and God, connecting to something that is much
bigger than you but actually moves through you.
And when you're able to like surrender into that, trust, fall into that, where we're then
able to ask the bigger questions of, "What do I desire?
What do I want today to feel like?
Show me how good it can feel."
You start to have a dialogue with spirit where you start to open up to actually receive
versus being in this unilateral one-way conversation.
Yeah, I, I, I, a hundred percent agree.
And I do think it takes time and you have to figure out what works for you, you know?
So like, what works for me might not work for everybody.
I always say that.
But once you start acknowledging that and and I love journaling.
I always call, I always say it's like having a conversation with your subconscious.
So it's like you're having like this, almost like this inner conversation with yourself.
And I love the idea of like writing it like you're talking to God or whatever your higher
power is, right?
So I, I love the idea of doing that.
And I think once you do that, you really start to get to know yourself and you could really
then figure out what you want.
And I, I encourage people to write everything down.
Yeah.
Even the like silly things, I, I have my clients write down, I, what I call a hundred list.
And I tell them to write a hundred things that they want to bring into their lives, which
is almost impossible to do.
Like writing a hundred things.
I shouldn't say impossible because I'm sitting sitting in that discomfort.
The other thing that I wanted to add is that the feminine is deeply connected to her senses.
Uh-huh.
Sensory beings.
We can feel.
We can intuit.
We can sense things.
And so learning to play in that, in that sensory field, so turning on a candle and incense,
flowers, the way you dress yourself being in this like, how does my life feel?
How am I allowing myself to fully receive my life through the senses?
That will start to awaken your feminine.
And you, in the truth frequency of like you journaling and getting real and honest, yes,
you get to know yourself.
But the frequency of you vibrating in your truth frequency, that, that starts to rearrange
things, things start happening, things start moving, things start shifting and you start
to wonder how it's happening, but it's beyond what we can understand with the mind.
I'm going to try to like shift, I journal a lot and I, I actually do that with my clients.
Actually on the podcast too, I constantly giving out journal prompts because I love it.
I think it's just so powerful, but I'm going to try to shift my perspective when I'm journaling
and journal like I'm talking to somebody, you know?
And I think that, I think that I would like that.
I think that would be a lot of fun.
Totally.
How it goes.
Yeah, I'll tell you how it goes.
So how can people connect deeper with you?
I know you have a lot of stuff going on.
So tell me some of the ways that people can connect and work with you.
Yeah, there are different ways.
So I have retreats.
One of them is called sacred alchemy.
One of them is called sacred magic.
And again, this is about awakening the embodied alchemist.
Sacred magic is about awakening the embodied magician.
And the way that we've learned to create in this world, to move, has been through a lot
of warrior energy, masculine energy.
But the alchemist, she is the one inside all of us, whether you're a man or a female, both
come to my retreats because it's exactly, as you said, there are these two energy currents
within us that have to be reparented to learn how to trust each other, to then vary each other,
to move in this divine union within ourselves, where we know what we want, we know who we
are, and we know who we are becoming.
And everything about us is this like forward motion in this creation with God, this co-creation.
So I have my retreats, sacred alchemy, sacred magic.
I have one-on-one mentorship.
We also have programs that I host online.
Right now we're running a masterclass called the era of her.
And in a few days on November 1st, I don't know if you're going to have this out by then,
but we're going to have an 11-day challenge that is a feminine leadership of wealth challenge
called the vessel of wealth.
And this is about learning to go deeper into the divine feminine frequency.
Oh, I love that.
All right, so can this all be found on your website?
I'm going to send you a link.
Okay.
You have it.
This is all on my website, but you have to literally go digging for it.
All right.
I will send you the link so that you have it to share.
All right.
That would be wonderful.
And this probably will be out before November 1st.
So that would be beautiful.
Yeah.
Yeah, because I'm not backed up right now.
I don't have a lot of recordings to add it.
So that's like the link is Michelle Giovanni dot com slash era.
And that you are a and that'll bring you to the masterclass where we're going to share
the next offer, which is called vessel of wealth.
Cool.
That's exciting.
I might do that.
I love it.
It was so much fun talking to you.
And I love this topic.
I'm very interested in your retreats too, as I said.
So definitely send me links to those.
It would be so much fun.
And I'll put all of this information in the show notes so people can connect with you
and start really stepping into their feminine power.
Thank you so much, Tina.
It was such a pleasure connecting and talking with you and sharing this.
But just wanted to thank you for the work that you're doing and for how you're modeling
the divine feminine in your own way.
So just really grateful for.
Oh, thank you.
I really, really appreciate that.
Beautiful.
Okay.
Where's the button?
Why can I never find out?
I know they changed everything.
Okay.
Yes.
Yes, I do.
I want to say.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
