Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited to have you here and to talk about all
the stuff we're going to talk about today. And so welcome.
Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. I am very excited for what we're going to
dive into as well. Yeah. So if to get started, if you could tell the listeners about yourself
about the work that you've done, but also about the journey and how you got there, how
you got to where you are today? Absolutely. So I'm a board certified dance and movement therapist
and also a somatic practitioner and trainer. So I have an online international company called
Healing Embodied and we not only work with clients directly supporting them through somatic
healing and also we help leaders, therapists, healers for them to be the embodiment of the transformation
that they want to help their clients with. We also certify therapists, mental health professionals
and coaches to do effective, profound, somatic work. And yes, I'm obsessed. How I got here.
It's quite a journey. So let me see if I can summarize. So as many of us healers, you know, you have
your own kind of dark night of the soul or many of them that you walk through. I grew up in a
family where there's a lot of relational dysfunction. I grew up with a lot of religious trauma and being in a
high control, religious environment, grew up in an environment of shame due to that religious environment.
Shame for my emotions, shame for my body, shame for my sexuality, just shame on shame on shame on shame.
And then, you know, I went through really devastating breakup after I went to college for my degree in
counseling. I ended up majoring in counseling for my undergrad because everything that I had gone
through, I was like, okay, how do I learn to be like a healthy person? How does one do this? Because I
have not seen that modeled. And so I got really interested in psychology in high school. I was reading all
sorts of self-help books. And so I ended up majoring in counseling psychology. But I remember being like,
I just don't know if I see myself being a traditional therapist. I've also been in musical theater
in a dance area for the last 20 years. And I was like, I can't see myself not incorporating that
aspect of me into my career. So I'm like, I wonder if there's a way to incorporate dance therapy. And
this is before chat GPC. So I went to old fashioned Google. I still love Google. Okay. And I was like,
is this a thing? I was just googling and researching. And then I stumbled upon dance and movement therapy
in that it was a master's degree in counseling. And I was like, what? This is me if I were a career.
And so I got my master's degree in counseling and through that program, you know, they were so
huge on you doing your own healing work. And you applying the somatic work to yourself. And it just,
I swear to you, my brain operated differently at the end of those two years being in grad school,
applying that work to myself. And I was like, how does the world not know about this magic?
Because for so long, I was so stuck in my head with the shame, the self-criticism, the overthinking,
the black and white thinking, the anxiety. And it was just through applying this movement,
the somatic work to myself that I was like, whoa, this literally changed my life.
Yeah. And so I worked two years full time as a dance and movement therapist in psychiatric hospitals.
And really felt myself burning out. And I was like, oh, no, I'm only two years in and crap.
I just spent the last six years of my life getting this degree. And I'm underpaid, I'm overworked.
I love the work that I get to do, but I'm exhausted. And I did the crazy scary unknown thing and
started my own company in 2019. And it was the best decision I ever made because I not only got to do
the work that I loved in a way that I loved, I also got to have to was able to structure my work in a
way that was in alignment with what I needed to do the work sustainably and to actually be able to
take care of myself first. Yeah. So that's where I am. That makes a huge difference when you could
set your business up to serve what you need in that moment. And you can change that as you change.
And I think it makes a huge difference. And when you're self-employed, it's just it's magical. And if
you don't take advantage of that and you're self-employed, you need to, you definitely need to.
And what you said about the brain is very interesting that you said it changed the way my brain worked.
And you know this, but it does change your brain. Well, trauma and all that stuff changes your brain
and healing changes your brain and some of the somatic work that you do is changes your brain. So
it's really cool that it actually does do that. And I love how you came back from a musical theater
background. That's so interesting. I have two of my kids in musical theater. And yeah, one of my
daughter went to a conservatory in New York City for college for a musical theater. And that was,
I don't know, I think it was fun for her, but it was definitely fun for me. Yeah.
I enjoyed it a lot. So definitely some really fun kids I met through her and that school was really
cool. So getting into what you do now, so going from working for, I suppose you were working for a hospital
and now you're working for yourself and you structured your business differently. How much,
how did that change? When you made that change, what would you, how did you go about structure
in your business the way it worked for you? Because I'm sure that a lot of people are wondering about that.
Yeah, that's such a great question. And this is something we teach our students. And I had to reverse
engineer, you know, what we're often taught in the school system, especially the therapy system is,
well, here's kind of industry standard. Here's what's available. Here's how much you can expect to make.
I was told in my last semester of grad school, I could expect to make $35,000 a year as my first job.
You're kind of told you just kind of accept the conditions. That's what you didn't go into this
for the money. You are a modern and you're here to save the world. And so I had to first of all look at
a lot of that conditioning and go, okay, well, if I'm burnt out AF, how am I supposed to be able to
effectively and powerfully hold space for other people's bodies, especially doing somatic work?
You have to be the regulated nervous system in the room. So I made that decision that actually me
being regulated, me having nervous system capacity was the most important thing if I wanted to do good work.
And so I went, okay, how many clients a day does it actually feel okay in my body to see?
Because I'm like so deeply present with people and their bodies and their emotions. So
let me get real with myself about what my capacity actually is. And then I went, okay, so that means
probably working 20 hours a week versus the standard 40 hours a week. And then I went, okay, how much
money do I want to make a year? Like what feels like overflow versus what I should expect to get
and just kind of zip my lip and accept it? And so from identifying what I love to make and
what feels good in my body for the amount of time to work and be doing this work, based on that,
I set my rates from there. Based on that, I create offers that honor me first. And I think I can be
really scary because it's really confronting. It's really, I know I had to really look at my money shame
and my fear of like, am I asking for too much? And what are people going to think? I'm charging more
than the industry standard. Like what does that mean about me and what are people going to think? And
so I really had to challenge that so that I could go, no, how do I really deeply care for myself
instead of people pleasing and lighting myself on fire to keep other people warm? And I think a lot
of helpers and healers fall into that identity of I have to rescue, save and murder myself in order
to do this work. Yeah, no, I think you're right. I think a lot of healers do that. And that's like one
of my favorite quotes. Like it's, it's not your responsibility to let yourself on fire to keep
someone else warm because it's very confronting because you're like, oh, wow, that's very harmful.
But that's exactly how harmful it is to do that. And I did the same thing in my business, you know,
it's like what feels good for a client like, you know, what, how many hours do I want to work? What
hours do I want to work? And I remember like in the summer, I'm like, I'm okay working past four
in the summer because it's still light out. And then the winter, it could start out at four. I was so
done. Yes. You know, and then I was like, I'm not showing up the way I should show up for my clients
in the winter. So then I just closed my schedule. I just like, you just narrowed it down a little bit
and changed it around. And I think having, being able to do that and also, it is a process to be able
to do that, right? Yeah. It's so empowering. And you get to show up as the best version of yourself
when you're doing that. Yeah. And I love that you even mentioned how your, your hours adapt to the
seasons, like you're literally honoring your cyclical human body and how it responds to
seasons and the environment and how typically the workforce expects the same level of productivity.
Yeah. It never gets deflexuated, never gets to change. Like it, the standard is like, you better
produce at the same level, even therapists. They're better produce at the same level because this is
what the corporations and the insurance companies demand and expect so you don't have to be a human
in this very human work. Yes. Yes. And you could like do a whole nother podcast,
nobody should work that way, even work for businesses. Nobody should have to work the way most people
work today, especially today. It's really crazy. So tell me about, let's get into like the somatic work.
And one of the things we talked about before we hopped on is why, why just traditional talk therapy,
sometimes it's just not enough. It's great. It's wonderful. But what are the benefits of somatic therapy?
And what can people expect when they start doing that? I love this question. And I'm going to start
with a really helpful visual in being able to understand why talk therapy often isn't enough.
And why involving the body is so essential. So I'm going to use something called Daniel Siegel's
hand model of the brain. So you're going to tuck your thumb into your palm and fold your top four
fingers over your thumb. This is your brain. This top layer of your brain, the four fingers on top is
your prefrontal cortex. That's your rational brain, your conscious mind. It's the part of the brain in
charge of language, reasoning, analysis, interpretation, making sense of things, cognitive reframes,
all the stuff that we're doing in talk therapy and cognitive approaches. And if you lift those
fingers and you see the thumb, this is your amygdala. This is your emotional center of the brain,
the fear center of the brain. Now, when we are in a stress response, when we are emotionally
activated, when we're experiencing a trauma trigger, we do something called flipping our lid.
And this is where we lose access to that rational part of the brain. So suddenly, all of those
cognitive reframes and all those understandings of your childhood and telling the story and all
the talking that you did about it, it goes out the window. It doesn't land in that moment. Your
center is taking over and your nervous system goes into a stress response. Now, that thumb, that limbic
system, the amygdala, the emotional center of the brain has an immediate and intimate connection
and communication line. If you imagine down your wrist through your arm, that's your nervous system
and your arm is your body. So the emotional center of the brain has a direct and immediate communication
line through the nervous system, which is in the body. Now, when your nervous system is going
I'm not safe. I'm not safe. I'm not safe. I'm stressed panic, panic, panic, panic or shutdown.
We are there's no way we can logic our way out of that because our analytical mind and our
emotional bodies speak two different languages. So in order to communicate to that emotional
center of the brain and say, hey, we're safe, we're safe. We're not back in that trauma. We have to
communicate to that part of the brain through the nervous system. Now, the language of the nervous
system, the language of the body is sensation, movement, breath. It's not words. So when we can do
different things with our body to communicate to our nervous system and shift our somatic experience,
it sends a new signal up to that part of the brain that says, hey, the date we're not in alarm
right now, um, on the alarm off. We're okay. And then we regain access to the rational part of the
brain. And then suddenly those cognitive reframes can land. So if you want the cognitive work to
actually stick, you have to involve your body because your brain needs to not be in a state of alarm
in order for those cognitive shifts, those mindset shifts to even land. So that's that's literally
the science. That's the why talk therapy can only take us so far because so many of us have experienced
trauma and trauma isn't always something extreme. Sometimes it's a lots of compounded things. Trauma is
a lot more complex. It's how your body perceived and responded to something. So many of us have some
sort of trauma. And so we're like, oh, well, I don't have trauma. So I don't need to use my body.
Like, I don't need body work. I don't have trauma. But you have a body and your body is the living
breathing storybook of your life. So whether you want to call it trauma, whether you want to call it
stress, whether you want to call it pain or wounding, I don't know anyone in this life who has made
it through without some sort of stress, pain, wounding. And our body is the one that holds that experience.
That lives in our bodies. And then our body begins to react to life from that pain, from the survival
response, from that stress response. So then you ask the question, what what might it look like to do
somatic work? Was that right? Yes. Yeah, it's going to look so different for lots of different people. But
something that, you know, we walk our clients through and we train our students in doing in so many
different ways is first helping someone begin to even just pay attention to their body. We are so
up in our heads. We are so quick to start intellectualizing an emotion or overthinking something.
So at first just starts with like, oh, wait a minute, I have a body and my body is feeling things. Maybe
I should just take a moment to pay attention to the fact that I have a body that I'm not a floating
head. I'm not a head in a jar. I have this body. Maybe just maybe I should begin to build a relationship
with this body, this living, breathing storybook of my life. And for some people, it's more difficult
than others. And you know, there's a lot of nuance to this. But sometimes it's just noticing, okay,
when I'm talking about this situation in therapy, what is even happening in my body is my heart starting
to race a little bit more as my chest getting tight is my stomach getting that knotted butterfly
feeling or my shoulders moving up toward my ears or my fists kind of clenched and I didn't even
realize it. Can I just begin to notice like how my body is holding themself? And then what we often do
is some version of, okay, let's notice where you feel that in your body. And not just where do you
feel in the body, but how is it living? How is it moving in your body? Is it fast? Is it heavy
is it hollow? Is it hot? Is it cold? How much space does it take up in your body? Was it what is it
doing as we pay attention? Does it post? Does it move? Does it shift? And then in my work, we take it
even a step further from that. And then we allow that emotion, which is just energy and motion,
we allow that emotion to move through the body. So we're going to use some form of
authentic movement. So rather than, okay, here's how you should move. It's like, okay, how does this
emotion want to move in your body? If you could move with this emotion instead of trying to push it
away or regulate it away, like how would you actually move with it? For some people, it looks really
small and subtle. Despite shift in the shoulders or the chest or the hands for some people,
they're standing up and they're shaking and they're moving their arms and they're folding and
reaching. So it really looks so unique to each person, which is what I love about this work.
Yeah, I love the way you just described the brain and the connection and everything was just
the perfect, probably the best description I've ever heard of that. So that was very,
yeah, that's very easy to understand for most people and definitely going to use that one.
That's a good one. Daniel Siegel. Daniel Siegel. Daniel Siegel.
I'm going to write that. Yeah, that really hits because it explains it perfectly because I can't do
when I'm working with my clients. I can't do any work with them until their nervous system is
regulated. And that's the first thing. And the funny part about that is, I don't know if you find
this, but a lot of people don't want to do it that way. You don't want to do it that way. They want
to do the work that they can rationalize in their brain and they don't think that any type of
somatic practice is going to make a big difference. Yeah. But it makes all the difference. And
what you said about allowing the emotion to move through your body is so important.
I learned this much later in life, probably in my 40s. And I think that when you don't allow it to
move through your system, you hold it in your system and it stays there. And if it's an uncomfortable
emotion, the discomfort lasts longer. So allowing it to move through your system allows it to
move through your system. And it took me so long to learn that.
I have another great analogy for that exact thing you're talking about.
Okay. So in the same way that our digestive system, our guts know how to digest food.
We don't have to think about it. We don't have to control it. We don't have to intellectualize it.
You know, unless we're ill and someone's going on, we don't have to intellectualize it. Like our
body is literally designed to know how to process food and move it through and out of our bodies.
In the same way, our bodies are wired to know how to process emotional energy. Now, I think the
majority of humans in the modern world are emotionally constipated. Yeah.
Meaning. It's a good analogy. Like you said, we're not allowing the emotions to move through the body.
We get what happens is we feel an emotion and then our minds get in the way and constipate that
process. We start thinking about it. We try to avoid it. We try to rationalize it. We try to figure
it out. Try to explain it. Why am I feeling this way? What's wrong with me? We shame it. And all
that mental activity gets in the way of our bodies natural wisdom. And what is always so amazing,
my clients are always so blown away every time. You know, I create the space and I guide them through
allowing the emotion to move through their body. And it's only in a matter of minutes. It'll be like
five minutes and like, holy cow, like, wait a minute. Yeah. That was like, that was so much easier than
I thought it was going to be. That was so much less scary than I thought I was going to be.
And I've been anxious for a week. I figure out my anxiety. And then like, we just kind of shifted
that in five minutes. What is this sorcery? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's about anxiety. Yeah.
Yeah. If you look at other places where you could see this happen naturally where you can watch
children, children really, they, they're not constipated, you know, for like a better word. But yeah,
they allow the emotions to move through the body. Like you see when a toddler is tired, how they
have a tantrum or just watching a kid trying to stand still. And like, like if they're waiting and
lying with their mom, they're like, yeah, flopping all over the place. I always use that example of
my clients. I'm like, just watch children and how they move. They're releasing that right in that
moment that child is like releasing the emotion because they're frustrated because they're being told
to stay still. And or you can go and look at what happens to a deer after a deer gets chased by,
you know, a wild animal that's trying to kill it. The, the first thing that happens when it's in
safety is its body shakes to release that energy. And then it moves on with its day, you know. And I
guess you could say we do that in some ways, you know. But only, I think only when we're facing some
really extreme emotions, you know. So that's very interesting and very, very helpful to understand,
to help people understand what's happening in their bodies. So another question that I have is,
do people, do people respond differently to different somatic practices? For example, like one will work
better than the other for them specifically because of their personality type or is it because of
the type of emotion that they're experiencing? Yeah, it's a beautiful question because it is so
nuanced. It's not one size fits all. Yeah. So something that I'm always assessing when working with
clients is what's their current capacity to just be in their body? And if, if I'm sensing that like
even just getting them into their body a little bit, they're going up in their head, like they just
have a hard time staying in their body, I know that actually we need something different. We need to
maybe start more external. We may, we need to start with more neutral sensation rather than going
inward. We're not going to be doing these big movements. We're not going to be doing breath work.
Like all this intense, very visceral stuff. We're going to be starting slow, gentle, sustainable,
neutral. Now for someone and I'm working with them and I assess, okay, we're getting into their
body. They're staying present. They're letting things move. Okay, let's see what happens if we go a
little bit deeper for someone like that who they're like, I can stay in my body without
getting hijacked without going numb, without going up into my head. They might love things more like
the expressive movement and like big breaths and they might really resonate with that. But
we always, this is why somatic work, especially the way it's talked about online, it's like just do
this technique and you're going to release your anxiety in three minutes. It's like, um, depending
on where you're at in your body, depending on how safe you feel in your body, some things are not
going to land right away for someone, someone else's body might need a different in-road than
another person's body. And none of that's wrong. It's just information on where they're at in their
journey and to remove any shame and to understand why our bodies, why it feels scary to go into our bodies,
why we go up into our heads, how we're trying to protect ourselves, why our body learned, you know,
that it wasn't safe to be in our bodies. So none of it is from a place of like, well, this person's
more advanced. It's just like, okay, what are the internal resources that they're currently working
with? How can we start with where they're at and build from there? Yeah. What does that look like
when you're staying more like out of the body? Like, what does that look like when you're doing that
type of work? Yeah, for someone it may look like as simple as focusing on their five senses.
So many, many people, especially those who are very dissociated, they're just not even noticing the
little moments in their life. So it might just look like, you have a cup of water. Can you take a moment
whole, feel the weight of the glass, feel the temperature, feel the texture of the glass?
Can you just slow down and just focus on those sensations? They're not inside your body where all
the emotions are where you've learned to numb that, understandably so. We're now just focusing on
neutral sensation and maybe we're, you know, using things like scent and sound. Maybe we're just
staying with the hands, okay, what does it feel like to rob your hands together? How does the
temperature change? What's the sound of that? So we're starting just more neutral because once we
start touching the emotionally charged sensation, it can become more difficult. So we need to build
build the capacity to be able to just be present with sensation in general and work our way up.
That makes total sense, yeah. I remember when I was at that point when I, when I first started my
journey, I had a stress, a stroke that was caused by stress. And so I like literally just like
popped a vein, you know? And I was, I was at a point where I was so disconnected from my body that
I could never tell even when I was getting sick or if I was tired. Yeah. I would get to the point
where my body would shake and then I'd be like, why is my body shaking? And then I was, it took me
like a couple of days to figure out I was tired, I was exhausted, that's why I was shaking. And then,
you know, like I would just get all of a sudden I would get deathly ill, but it wasn't all of a sudden.
It was, I was sick for a long time, but I just wasn't feeling it or noticing it. And that's,
that was like my starting point decades ago, right? So I, yeah, I could totally relate to being
completely disassociated with the sensations of your body and how horrible it is, you know?
Like you don't, and you don't even, I feel like it's something that happens very gradually, so you
don't even realize what is happening. So I definitely have some experience working with people like that
and I can be, I could really have a lot of empathy for them because I've been there myself, you know?
Absolutely. So moving into like some of the other practices, like dance, for example,
what you do, so tell me what that's like working with like dance therapy. I was very interested
in that. What I love about dance is that I always say it's the poetry of the body.
Yeah, beautiful. So there's movement and then there's creative movement, there's functional
movement and then there's expressive movement and something really magical happens when we can
channel the emotional energy that once felt terrifying, when we can channel that into creative
expression or dance. Suddenly, we feel a sense of empowerment in relation to that emotion,
emotion. This thing is grief that once I thought it was going to consume me, I thought it was
going to swallow me whole. I didn't know what to do with it. It was so big. It was so loud. I was
drowning. Now I'm channeling that emotion into movement, into dance and I can do something with that.
It becomes beautiful. It becomes art. It becomes not something that I try to avoid. It becomes
something I lean into because it's part of my human experience and the artistry of being human.
Like that's what I love about the combination of dance and healing and the dance kind of dance
I'm talking about is authentic dance. It's not about looking pretty. It's not about technique.
You're just letting your body move and express. Now, where something like a traditional dance class
where you're learning technique, you're learning new ways of moving, your gaining flexibility and
strength where that can help is that it gives you more range of motion. It gives you more creative
movement language. It gives you more options and new ways for how to move your body and I have found
that has been really supportive when I'm doing my expressive emotional processing movement work
because I'm going to dance. I have so much more range of motion and I can get up and down and
lift my leg and move in all these different ways and roll my spine because of my experience as a
dancer, but you don't need to be a dancer to be able to begin to dance with your emotions.
Yeah, exactly. I love that. Excuse me. Do you also work with when you're working with people
have them use their voice too when they're doing? Yeah, sound. You know, we'll sometimes put on music
and some people will like sound or hum or sing with that. Absolutely. Yeah, so tell me some of the
benefits of the somatic work. So what kind of benefits do you see in people after doing this work regularly?
The biggest one that comes to mind is there's so much kinder to themselves.
That's nice. They're so used to that internalized, critical or judgmental voice when they've
just been operating from their mind, their whole life and when they begin to like partner with their
body, they see themselves in a different light and they access just this genuine natural compassion
that emerges, compassion for their human experience, compassion for their emotions rather than
judgment. I shouldn't be feeling this way. What's wrong with me? When we're living in our head,
that's like the noise we always hear. Just noise. Mean noise. Very mean.
Yeah. And people become so much kinder themselves, which then allows them to be kinder to the people
around them, to be compassionate, to be able to remain grounded in themselves even if someone
is outside of them, say a partner is frustrating them or maybe their partner didn't say things
in the way that they wanted them to say because they have so much more capacity in their body and
kindness in their body, they're able to just extend that to the people around them. They're able to
also just feel more alive. I worked with a client recently who has done, she's like I've done
every healing modality under the sun and it wasn't until this work that I feel the most alive
I've ever felt. The colors are more vibrant. The sounds are more beautiful. I'm just more
attuned to life because my body is is an extension and an expression of life. And so now I've turned on this
channel. Yeah. For experiencing life. That's amazing. That's absolutely amazing. So how do you work with
people now? Do you work? And now I know you train other therapists to do this work, but do you still
work with people doing this work? Do you work like one on one group? What is it that you do now?
Yeah. So we do have a group online program where it's called Holy Human, WHOL, LY.
It's about embracing the art of being human. All the things I talked about, movement, expression.
So that is for people who want to do their own healing work, really deep in their own embodiments,
quiet, the overthinking and the shame and the critical voices and really reclaim
their selves, their bodies and allow themselves to learn how to move with their emotions.
And then we also work with creatives, leaders, healers, helpers in helping them feel safe to be
visible. Right? A lot of these people we work with, they're making an impact out in the world.
They have a business of their own or they're in a leadership position. So feeling safe to be
visible in their body rather than shrinking, playing small, feeling ashamed, not really wanting to
take up too much space, like really feeling safe in their body to show up, be visible, and be the
embodiment of the impact that they want to make on the world, to lead from authenticity and presence
versus this is the role that I play and this is who I should be and this is what's going to work in
order to make an impact. It's like let it let it happen because of who you become and what you embody.
Yeah, nice. I love that. So where can people connect with you and
what's the best place for them to reach you and learn more about you and work with you and all that
stuff? Sure. You can go to www.healingembodied.com/connect and when you go to that page, you're going to see
this free resource library full of all things, somatic healing, embodiment, there's incredible
resources, there's session demos if someone wants to know like what does it look like though? There's
such demos in there, there's, again, little trainings, podcasts, episodes that talk more about this work,
how to apply it to yourself and then there's also a way to reach me there, but we're all over the
internet on Instagram @healing.embodied, we're on Facebook, YouTube, but yeah, you can go to Healingembodied.com
for /connect. Okay, I'll put those things in the show notes so people could reach you. One last thing
before we go, is there anything that you're moving into in the world where you're bringing something
new into the world or something new you want to offer? What are you moving into? Yeah, we're really,
I mean, I'm like, we literally just submitted this last night. We submitted an application to become
a continuing education provider for therapists for clinical therapists, so we're really like
stepping into and going all in in helping more therapists and mental health professionals
and leaders really master this because you and I both know the power, the importance, the vitalness
incorporating the body into healing and mental health. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, that is key. We talked
about that right before we came on how there's, it's hard to find a counselor, someone who's going
to support you that does both talk therapy and then somatic work at the same time and it's so powerful
together. And if you do find one, they're booked, like I said, for the rest of their life and it's
impossible to like see them. So I feel like more providers need to do this and I really do think that
they're starting to connect the dots and starting to move into that. So that's wonderful that
you're doing that and I hope everything works out with that. You'll have to let me know. That's very,
exciting. Yeah, very exciting. Okay, what for you, I love asking this question, is your favorite
self-care practice, your deep-level self-care practice that you use for yourself, your go-to?
Yeah, I love sitting out on my deck, so I live in the forest and when it's a nice day out, I love
sitting out on my deck and just sitting on the ground on the deck and just tuning into my body,
seeing, okay, what is my body needing? What is my body feeling? That's my body want to move in any
way. Is there anything that my body wants to say to me? So just like taking a moment to like
slow down, check in and that seems so simple, but it's like, it's different stuff comes up every time.
I think everybody needs to do that. That's, yeah, that is one of my favorite things to do as well.
It's just like a little check-in reset. Yeah, I actually sent an alarm on my phone to do it.
Amazing. Yeah, I tell my clients to do that. I'm like, set an alarm because it's really
forget. Yeah, it says energy. It like pops up, it says energy because it's like an energy check, how
am I feeling? What do I need? What do I need to do for myself? So that's something I do. So that's
cool. That's very cool. Well, thank you so much. It's been such a pleasure talking to you. I love
what you do and I want to thank you for what you do in the world and all the people that you help.
Oh my gosh, right back at you. I mean, thank you for having this space in this platform where you,
yeah, just help people connect to their own self-care. So thank you so much for having me.
